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Ian,
With all due respect, I think SGML is another example
of a perhaps over-engineered standard that failed to
mainstream because of it's complexity. XML was
designed specifically to address both the technical
and political issues that botched SGML.
When the U.S. almost lost the basketball gold last
year to Lithuania, the whole game the announcers were
just talking about the U.S. mistakes. But obviously,
the Lithuanian team played great or they wouldn't have
been in it. Sure there were contributing factors, but
the fact remains that http uniquely leveraged the
existing infrastructure of the internet, and that is
why it was so successful.
Best,
Ted
--- Ian Clatworthy wrote:
>
>
> Albert Scherbinsky wrote:
> >
> > Michi Henning wrote:
> > > All I was trying to point out is that we have
> built a large document-centric
> > > RPC-like infrastructure for interactive web
> things (such as on-line stores)
> > > probably because that is what the web could
> support, not necessarily because
> > > that is the most desirable way to do distributed
> on-line shopping.
> > > To put it differently, if someone had come along
> and asked for an
> > > infrastructure for on-line shopping (or B2B, or
> similar), HTTP, cgi-bin,
> > > and coookies are probably not what would have
> emerged as the preferred
> > > solution.
> >
> > If someone had come along and asked you for it, it
> would
> > still be on a drawing board being over engineered
> by
> > completely anal UML/CORBA weenies. Unless you come
> to the
> > table with an alternate design and a prototype
> it's all just
> > sour grapes to me.
>
> Albert,
>
> Until now, you're arguments sounded sensible, even
> if I didn't
> agree with all of them. :-(
>
> The winner of the DCOM-CORBA war was HTTP because it
> delivered
> a killer app - sharing of information - and because
> a certain
> company made sure CORBA wasn't widely deployed. The
> influence
> of industry politics has had a massive impact on
> what people
> use, e.g. SGML partly died because powerful IT
> companies which
> owned the word processing market 10 years ago
> "pre-announced"
> support for SGML in their products (which never
> really arrived, BTW)
> so the actual SGML products never mainstreamed. It's
> rather
> ironic to see one of those same companies pushing
> XML with
> such vigor now. Is it doing it because XML is *that*
> much
> better than SGML? Or could it be because Java now
> exists?
>
> SOAP and XML are 'simple' technologies *because* of
> the
> success of the Web and because software engineers
> are
> familar with HTML, CSS, etc. SOAP will have it uses
> and
> they will be really important ones (e.g. B2B) but it
> certainly isn't the answer to life, the universe and
> everything.
> People will also use it inside the firewall because,
> once you have a hammer, everything looks like a
> nail.
> Eventually, most designers will pick more
> appropriate
> solutions, e.g. CORBA with pub-sub, JCA+JMS or EAI
> tools.
>
> Ian C.
>
>
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